[Aussieteddie]

My instruction says "Ok for everyone that is new to Body Combat pretend that there is a person you don't like infront of you and beat them up. For those who have been here before. Wel your didn't work hard enough last time because that person you don't like is still there."

[DR-Combat]

djbcrawford said:

In Bodycombat 23 Track 7 where you do the hook, knee which starts slow and gets faster, I used "Time for the 3 tests of the Mau Thai". First Test - speed (first 4 sets - quick and light); Second Test - Power (second 4 adding power); Third Test - Warrior Spirit (add kiai's): Second time round I could shout what's the first/second/third test of the mau thai and they would respond. Works really well and breaks up long repetitive sets.

Great one! Just to share, over here, the crowd are crazy, & likes to vocalize a lot. So I'd grant their wishes for muay thai BC23-7 -Hook & Knee: Level 1, take it easy, Level 2 - Bring it on, Level 3 - Make it count, Level 4- Bash them up! (and on the hook I'll go Kiya, and they'll go vocal like Ouu! or something like that - and the volume increases with each level). Awseome energy!

[Painija]

Today in BC 27 track 2 when you do the "hammer strike" downward I said something which basically ment that you should bash your opponent so hard with it that afterwards he will be sunk 3 feet into the ground (cant tranlate it properly, but I think you'll get the idea from here)

Also my favourite nowadays is in track 7 "Do you see any police around? NO! KEEP GOING!!! HIT HIM INTO THE GROUND!!" This was used by our 1/4 instructor.. so good

[pontus]

Painija said:

Also my favourite nowadays is in track 7 "Do you see any police around? NO! KEEP GOING!!! HIT HIM INTO THE GROUND!!" This was used by our 1/4 instructor.. so good

Good cues Painija!
...that track 7 cue leads me to another question (perhaps a new thread...but hey I'll just post it here now)

Does anyone feel it's at least a little troublesome to signal the kind of "hit' him when he's down!"-technique?
So, running the risk of sounding "boring" or whatever, I have to say that I have a little problem with the signals sent with the new downward punch (and Dan's cues, as well as the one above).

Am I the only one thinking this really borders on what's ok? I mean, it's not something I recognize from the ideals of both LMI, the fitness-community in general, and (last but not the least) the martial arts basic code/principles/philosophy.

Am I over-reacting you think?   :?

...and to be perfectly clear: this is criticism of the chorrey - not on Painija's cue tip!

[Mel]

pontus said:

Am I over-reacting you think?   :?

yep

I mean, comon............we're hitting the air! Any one who takes it that they need to literally hit someone while they're down has got serious issues methinks.

It's a GROUP FITNESS class..............and it's all a bit of lighthearted imagery.

The only disturbing thing about it is that you find it disturbing

[pontus]

Mel said:

The only disturbing thing about it is that you find it disturbing

ok...well thanks for your feedback.

[pontus]

Mel said:

It's a GROUP FITNESS class..............and it's all a bit of lighthearted imagery.

I guess my problem is that such imagery is not "lighthearted".

[Painija]

pontus said:

Does anyone feel it's at least a little troublesome to signal the kind of "hit' him when he's down!"-technique?
So, running the risk of sounding "boring" or whatever, I have to say that I have a little problem with the signals sent with the new downward punch (and Dan's cues, as well as the one above).

Am I the only one thinking this really borders on what's ok? I mean, it's not something I recognize from the ideals of both LMI, the fitness-community in general, and (last but not the least) the martial arts basic code/principles/philosophy.

Am I over-reacting you think?   :?

...and to be perfectly clear: this is criticism of the chorrey - not on Painija's cue tip!

I have tought also about this. So basically I think that if you have a good feeling of your class and there is a good atmosphere you can use these easily. I point out before the class that "inside the class you can be raw streetfighters, then then go home and be nice again" Before the Muay Thai track I say something like "this will include some rough stuff, but hey remember we are streetfighters here.. lets be rough and tuff.. and have some fun also!" Also during/after the track if you keep good atmoshphere nobody will think that this is too violent... just a part of the training.

But if you dont know your class or for example there are more older people attending, then I think you should take it a bit easier and maybe skip those hard cueus. I think you could just use "now hit to the ground, lift your elbow high and strive your punch deep into the ground!"-type of things.

Just important thing is not to be too serious while doing this.. if you are it will see more violent.. smile, look to the sides "any polices around!!" and go with the flow!

[pontus]

Thanks for a good answer Painija. Good to clearly separate "inside this room" and "then go home and be nice". I like that!  

Some participants at our club are a little older and I'm just careful with that kind of stuff with them.

So far, I've taught the downward punch as breaking planks (and then slabs of concrete as we progress - "harder and tougher").
(...the plank-smashing imagery can also be used with the "like a chainsaw" cue - "there are more ways to cut planks!")

[Mel]

pontus said:

I guess my problem is that such imagery is not "lighthearted".

well that's the problem then, not the chorrey


.......and just keep in mind my comments are lighthearted too. Please don't be too serious....


The thing with imagining actually holding someone down and hitting them while their down............it's so quite obviously something that you just wouldn't do, that's what makes the imagery ridiculously silly........and fun!

If you find it disturbing rather than fun..........then perhaps have a chat to a counsellor?

And I think old participants are capable of having fun too

[R1]

Mel said:

The thing with imagining actually holding someone down and hitting them while their down............it's so quite obviously something that you just wouldn't do, ........

No it isn't!!! :wink:  :twisted:

My lot get this sort of evil glint in their eye when doing this move! :shock:

ck1 actually "knocked" me to the floor and kept "hitting" me in the head to keep me there at a launch yesterday!! :shock:  

[R1]

I told a class the other day that "political correctness has been left out of this track. What ever sort of person you are outside this room, I want you to be the sort of person your parents warned you about in here for this track!!"

I think you will find many people are getting sick of this tip-toe attitude we have developed!! :wink:

[Painija]

R1 said:

Mel said:

The thing with imagining actually holding someone down and hitting them while their down............it's so quite obviously something that you just wouldn't do, ........

No it isn't!!! :wink:  :twisted:

Yeah really this technique isnt just a street brawl technic. For example in karate you do it all the time when doing kumite (fighting) and you sweep your opponent to the ground you need to do this kind of technique to get the point (the sweep by itself is not going to give you any points).. and otherwise the fighting in the ground is not permitted.

[R1]

Your right. The take down doesn't score unless you follow it up with a strike. We don't do this in Taekwondo mind, because by the time they hit the floor, they shouldn't need finishing off!!! :wink:  

[pontus]

Mel said:

If you find it disturbing rather than fun..........then perhaps have a chat to a counsellor?

"Doc, I have this problem. I keep envisioning holding people down and bashing their heads open to a mad techno beat. Am I normal?"

"Sure, son. I go to combat classes myself every week..."

:wink:

[LawRah]

R1 said:

I told a class the other day that "political correctness has been left out of this track. What ever sort of person you are outside this room, I want you to be the sort of person your parents warned you about in here for this track!!"

nice, I like that one!!

[Shady]

I do too! I like that you can unleash in a combat class and then walk away and feel better for having gotten it out of your system.

[Rosybear]

Shady said:

I do too! I like that you can unleash in a combat class and then walk away and feel better for having gotten it out of your system.

You're just a nutter! :kiss: :grin:

[R1]

After my BC27 class last night one girl came up to me and said "That downward punch is all wrong! It's way to violent but I'm a bit worried that I find it very rewarding to do!!"

[Ella]

Well I have to say, last night I taught 27 to my Monday lot and I had a Pump instructor who does my class every week after she finishes her own. She came up to me at the end and said she felt physically sick at some points during the hour....  :shock: I thought she meant as in " you pushed too hard sick" but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

She said that particular downward punch in the Maui Thai was too violent in her opinion and that it may have left some people in the class 'wanting to pick a fight' when they left..  :shock:  :?  :shock:

I said that's why we have the cooldown so I can bring everyone back down to "happy go lucky land" before they leave the room but she wasn't having any of it..... I didn't particularly harden up the language or the 'violence' of that sequence anymore than the DVD but I just thought it worth mentioning given the last few posts here.... although the majority of us see it for what it is, which really is to unleash with a street fight theme and enjoy, other people are finding some of the raw moves a little 'life like' and hence threatening.... strange but true....

Actually I was quite inclined to remind her we were in Body Combat and NOT Balance..... I bit my tongue though  :twisted:  :twisted: